The Turle Children ~ Part 1

Welcome to this update on The Crescent, Taunton, Somerset, One Place Study. This post will start to look at the lives of the children of Henry and Jane Turle (nee Hobbs) and will probably cover a few updates as they spread out across the world! 

So, this is where you got up to the the Turle family tree:

We can see that Henry and Jane had 8 children, 7 sons and 1 daughter. Two of their sons died in infancy (see post). At the time of writing that post, I was unable to establish a definitive General Register Office (GRO) death record index for Henry Turle although I was able to establish that he was buried at Holy Trinity Church in Taunton, Somerset. A wonderful friend, Liz Craig (https://twitter.com/WillsmanOneName) got curious and took the time, and a second pair of research eyes, to see if she could find this record, which although listed on FreeBMD, was not listed on GRO website. By changing the spelling of the surname from Turle to Tinle, she found the matching record [1]:

Without requesting the death certificate, I cannot be definitive, however, I am fairly certain that this is Henry Turle and will update the family tree accordingly. I would like to thank Liz for her help and all the support that she gives to me and my One Place Study. You can find out about Liz's awesome One Place Study of The Temple Lodge Home for Inebriate Women on her website. 

 

The next son who was born to Henry and Jane Turle, was Robert Hobbs Turle in about 1847, in Taunton, Somerset. Robert was living with his parents at the time of the 1851 [2] and 1861 [3] England Census' (see post). By the time 1871 England Census, when the family are living at 1 The Crescent, he is not listed there with them. I started my research on him with a full name search on Ancestry. The top result returned was for a entry in the Masters and Mates Certificates record set [4]. From this document, we establish that Robert was born on 13 December 1846 in Taunton, Somerset. His address is given as The Priory in Taunton. He is awarded the Certificate of Competency in the Merchant Service as Second Mate on 6 February 1867 after passing an ordinary exam in London on 4 February 1867. The first ship he served on was the Norfolk (11920) from 21 October 1861 to May 18 1862. He then served on the Essex (45025) 4 times between October 18 1862 and October 10 1865. The final ship listed was the Sussex (23238), which he served on twice between October 21 1865 and January 6 1867. I have not needed to look into the Merchant Service much before so this will make for some interesting research to add to my One Place Study. If you have any hints or tips for researching the Merchant Service, please let me now or leave a comment for me. 

There is no definitive entry for Robert on the 1871 England Census. However, I did find a Robert H Turle listed in the 1879 edition of the New York City Directory [5], with the following entry: "Turle Robert H, mer, 36 Whitehall". Has he emigrated to the United States of America? 

The next record I find for Robert on Ancestry is on the occasion of his marriage union to Kathleen Gordon Ford in Kings County, New York in the United States of America on 27 May 1880 [6]. So it seems that Robert emigrated to the USA sometime between 1867 and 1879, although I have not been able to locate a record to confirm when this occurred yet. Robert and Kathleen are listed living together at 97 Clark Street in Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA, on the 1880 United States Federal Census [7]. 

Robert and Kathleen are residing with her father, Gordon Lester Ford, a Lawyer, his wife Emily Ellsworth Ford nee Fowler, his sister, Eliza Ford, and her 3 brothers, Worthington Chauncey Ford, Malcolm Webster Ford and Paul Leicester Ford and 3 sisters, Rosalie (Rosa) Greenleaf Barr nee Ford, Mabel Percy Ford and Emily Ellsworth Ford. His occupation is a Grain Broker. 

We find an entry for Robert in the 1880 Brooklyn, New York, City Directory [8] as follows:  "Turle Robert H, broker, 12 Bridge, h 36 E. 32d". 

His Father in Law, Gordon Ford, has a listing in the same City Directory [9] as follows: "Ford Gordon L, manager, 154 Nassau, h 97 Clark, B'klyn".

Robert has further entries in the New York City Directories in 1883, 1884, 1886, 1888 and 1889. 

So Robert and Kathleen moved to a new home by 1883, but only a short distance away from her family on Clark in Brooklyn. 

For the 1890 US Federal Census, only a partial record exists, which does not cover the area of Brooklyn were it is likely Robert and Kathleen were living at the time it was taken. 

The next possible record found for Robert is a New York Naturalization record for a Robert H Turle of 34 Monroe Place, Brooklyn, New York City on 19 October 1892 [15]. Is this the Robert Hobbs Turle that I am researching? I need to look at other documents to collaborate this information. I return to searching the city directories of New York and find additional entries as follows for Robert:  

So, Robert did move to 34 Monroe Place as we can see that his business address of 352 Produce Exchange is the same as that were listed in the New York city directories in the late 1880's for him. He has also expanded his business, being a merchant at 156 Franklin which then moved into canned goods from 105 Hudson. 

The next entry we find for Robert and his family in the official records is on the 1900 United States Federal Census [18]. 

So from this document we can see that Robert and Kathleen are living at 34 Monroe Place, with their two daughters, Millicent Worthington Turle [19] and Hildegarde Elleford Turle [20] along with a servant, Kattie Gariety. They stated that they had 3 children but only two are living. I did find a record on Ancestry for the birth of a female child on 7 November 1888 whose parents were Robert Hobbs Turle and Kathleen Gordon Ford of 65 Clark Street [21]. Sadly, no name was given for the child on the index transcription and I could not find a matching death index prior to June 1900. Short of requesting the birth certificate, we will not know any further information for certain. 

From the census, we can also see that Robert stated that he emigrated to the US in 1875 and is now a naturalized citizen. I have been unable to find a definitive record for him arriving in the US in the records available currently. 

Robert passed away in Brooklyn, New York, United States of America on 13 May 1905, aged 58 years [22]. He is buried at Sleepy Hollow Cemetery in Westchester, New York, United States of America [23]. His Will and Probate, including Petition Papers, detail that his wife, Kathleen Gordon Turle, and daughters, Millicent Worthington Roelker nee Turle and Hildegarde Ellsford Turle, survive him [24].    

You can find some great images of the buildings on Clark Street and Monroe Place where the Lord and Turle families live on the NYC Municipal Archives Digital Collections website in the Brooklyn 1940's Tax Photo Collection. 

On the next update, I will look into the where the other children of Henry and Jane Turle went to beyond the 1871 England Census when they were living at 1 The Crescent as part of my One Place Study of The Crescent, Taunton. In the meantime, I hope that you have enjoyed reading this blog much as I have enjoyed researching this family for my One Place Study. 

It would be wonderful to hear from you via the comments section on this blog or via my Facebook page. If you would like to see the tree that I have been building for my One Place Study for each individual house, it is on Ancestry under 1 The Crescent Taunton One Place Study. This study is also part of the Society of One Place Studies. 

[1] General Register Office (https://www.gro.gov.uk/) - Deaths GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in Bridgwater, Volume 10, Page 307
[2] Ancestry.com 1851 England Census - The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1851 England Census; Class: HO107; Piece: 1922; Folio: 484; Page: 25; GSU roll: 221078-221079

[3] Ancestry.com 1861 England Census - The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1861 England Census; Class: RG9; Piece: 1616; Folio: 15; Page: 1; GSU roll: 542840

[4] Ancestry.com UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 Certificate Range 2: 84470 - 84649 - Original data: Master's Certificates. Greenwich, London, UK: National Maritime Museum.

[5] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - New York, City Directory 1879 pg 1474

[6] Ancestry.com New York, Extracted Marriage Index, 1866-1937 Certificate Number 1424

[7] Ancestry.com 1880 United States Federal Census - Year: 1880; Census Place: Brooklyn, Kings, New York; Roll: 840; Page: 127A; Enumeration District: 006

[8] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - Brooklyn, New York, City Directory 1880 pg 1521

[9] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - Brooklyn, New York, City Directory 1880 pg 499

[10] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - New York, City Directory 1883 pg 1651

[11] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - New York, City Directory 1884 pg 1774

[12] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - New York, City Directory 1886 pg 1940

[13] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - New York, City Directory 1888 pg 1993

[14] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - New York, City Directory 1889 pg 2008

[15] "New York Naturalization Index (Soundex), 1792-1906," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L937-P9Z7?cc=2043782&wc=SFZ9-ZNL%3A1400001601 : 4 February 2015), Roll 272, T620-T650 (Triwasch, Jacob-Tierney, William J) > image 3532 of 5018; citing NARA microfilm publication M1674 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

[16] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - New York, City Directory 1894 pg 1416

[17] Ancestry.com U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 - New York, City Directory 1899 pg 1330

[18] Ancestry.com Year: 1900; Census Place: Brooklyn Ward 1, Kings, New York; Page: 14; Enumeration District: 0006; FHL microfilm: 1241043

[19] Newspapers.com - 'Miss Hildegarde Turle, Easter Bride. Hers to be a notable wedding' - The Brooklyn Daily Eagle 12 Mar 1911 pg 47 (Millicent Worthington Turle is named as younger sister)

[20] Ancestry.com New York, New York, Index to Birth Certificates, 1866-1909 - New York City Department of Records & Information Services; New York City, New York; New York City Birth Certificates; Borough: Brooklyn; Year: 1885 Certificate number 8407

[21] Ancestry.com New York, New York, Index to Birth Certificates, 1866-1909 - New York City Department of Records & Information Services; New York City, New York; New York City Birth Certificates; Borough: Brooklyn; Year: 1888 Certificate number 10853

[22] Ancestry.com New York, New York, Index to Death Certificates, 1862-1948 - New York City Department of Records & Information Services; New York City, New York; New York City Death Certificates; Borough: Brooklyn; Year: 1905 Certificate number 9258

[23] https://www.findagrave.com/ (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146554385/robert-hobbs-turle)

[24] Ancestry.com New York, Kings County, Probate Records; Author: New York. Surrogate's Court (Kings County); Probate Place: Kings, New York - Robert Hobbs Turle

Following the Turle's after the 1871 England Census...

This update will consider what happened to Henry and Jane Turle following their entry on the 1871 England Census at 1 The Crescent in Taunton, Somerset, England (see post). 

We have the family tree outline for Henry and Jane Turle (nee Hobbs) and their 7 sons and 1 daughter from the information that we have collated so far.

I next searched for Henry and Jane on the 1881 England Census on Ancestry and found that they were still living in Taunton, Somerset, England [1]:

They are living at 23 Mount Street, Taunton, with their servant, Ann Pullman. Henry is a retired merchant and grocer. So what has happened to their 5 surviving sons and daughter? I will look at them in a future update.

I then moved onto looking for them in the 1891 England Census on Ancestry. However, I was unable to find an entry that was a match for them. So I turned to the General Register Office (GRO) website to see if I could find entries for their deaths. I found only one possible match for each of them:

Neither of these were recorded in Somerset, England. Instead, they were both registered in Surrey, England. To corroborate that these entries were the correct ones for the Henry and Jane Turle who I am researching, I searched the Probate Service website. I found an entry for Jane's probate in the year 1885 as follows [4]:

TURLE Jane.        Personal Estate £52        

25 August. The Will with a Codicil of Jane Turle (Wife of Henry Turle) formerly of Taunton in the County of Somerset but late of the Vivary Addiscombe - grove Croydon in the County of Surrey who died 9 June 1884 at the Vivary was proved at the Principal Registry by the said Henry Turle of the Vivary Gentleman the sole Executor, Probate being granted under certain Limitations.     

So, it looks like the death entry on the GRO website is the correct one for Jane. Turning to Henry Turle, I found an entry on the Probate Service website in the year 1889 [5]:

TURLE Henry.        Personal Estate £1,078 6s. 8d

16 October. The Will of Henry Turle late of Taunton in the County of Somerset Gentleman who died 8 July 1889 at Wimbledon School Wimbledon in the County of Surrey was proved at the Principal Registry by Edward Turle of Wimbledon School Schoolmaster the Son one of the Executors.

So again, this probate entry corroborates the death index for Henry Turle in 1889 on the GRO website. It also lists one of his sons, Edward, as being a Schoolmaster at Wimbledon School, so giving as a lead to researching him later on.  

Jane was buried on 14 June 1884 in Lewisham, London, England [6]. Henry was buried on 12 July 1889, also in Lewisham, London, England [7]. 

Below is an updated family tree for Henry and Jane Turle (nee Hobbs). 

On the next update, I will look into the children of Henry and Jane Turle beyond the 1871 England Census when they were living at 1 The Crescent as part of my One Place Study of The Crescent, Taunton. In the meantime, I hope that you have enjoyed reading this blog much as I have enjoyed researching this family for my One Place Study. 

It would be wonderful to hear from you via the comments section on this blog or via my Facebook page. If you would like to see the tree that I have been building for my One Place Study for each individual house, it is on Ancestry under 1 The Crescent Taunton One Place Study. This study is also part of the Society of One Place Studies. 

[1] Ancestry.com 1871 England Census - The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1871 England Census; Class: RG11; Piece: 2366; Folio: 79; Page: 2; GSU roll: 1341569

[2] General Register Office (https://www.gro.gov.uk/) - Deaths GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in Croydon, Volume 02A, Page 153

[3] General Register Office (https://www.gro.gov.uk/) - Deaths GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in Kingston on Thames, Volume 02A, Page 151

[4] Probate Service (https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/) - Year 1885, Turle, Jane

[5] Probate Service (https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/) - Year 1889, Turle, Henry

[6] Deceased Online (https://www.deceasedonline.com/) - Turle, Jane, burial 14 June 1884, Lewisham

[7] Deceased Online (https://www.deceasedonline.com/) - Turle, Henry, burial 12 July 1889, Lewisham

The early years of Henry Turle and Jane Hobbs

This update will look at the early years of Henry Turle and his wife Jane Hobbs before they married in Cannington, Somerset, in 1844. 

Starting with Henry Turle, we can learn from the marriage document (see post) that he was living in Taunton at the time of his union, was a Grocer, and that his father was Richard Turle, also a Grocer. Using this as my starting point, I searched the 1841 England Census on Ancestry for Henry. We find him living on Fore Street in Taunton, Somerset, England [1]:

Henry is living with his father, Richard, a Tea Dealer, Sarah, who was most likely his mother or could possibly be a younger sister of Richard, his elder brother, John, along with Eliza Turle, a younger sister or maybe the wife of John, and a baby, Ellen. His occupation is given as a Draper. His age is probably not accurate as the ages of those older than 15 years rounded down to a lower multiple of 5. If we look at the ages given on the other census records for Henry (see post), it would seem that his year of birth was about 1816/7, rather than around 1821. 

Next, I searched the Somerset Baptism records for Henry on Ancestry, born around 1816/7, and find records for him, an elder brother and sister, who are baptised on the same day at St Mary Magdelene Church in Taunton in 1818 [2]:

I would surmise that Sarah on the 1841 England Census is the wife of Richard Turle based on the information so far. I could not find a Baptism record for Eliza Turle +/- 5 years around 1821 that complemented the information already collected. I did though find a Baptism record for Ellen Turle [3] and an associated General Register Office (GRO) entry [4]:

As we now know Eliza's maiden name was Mercer, I searched the FreeBMD website and found a record for the union of John Turle and Eliza Mercer in 1838 in Battle, Sussex [5].

Looking further back, I searched for marriage documents on Ancestry relating to Richard Turle marrying Sarah in about 1810, +/- 5 years. Only one match was returned [6] for a marriage by licence at St Mary Magdalene Church in Taunton, Somerset, between Richard Turle, a Bachelor, and Sarah Davey, a Spinster, both of the parish, on 11 February 1806. 

I then turned to finding out more about Jane Hobbs, born in Cannington, Somerset, England, in about 1821. I was unable to find a 1841 England Census record that was definitively Jane. So I searched the baptism records for St Mary's Church in Cannington on Ancestry to see if I could find her, which was located [7]:

With a name for her parents, Benjamin and Elizabeth, I returned to searching the 1841 England Census and found Jane was living with them in Cannington [8]:

Next, I searched for the baptisms of the other children of Benjamin and Elizabeth Hobbs, finding their entries in the baptism records for St Mary's Church in Cannington on Ancestry:

I have searched the marriages on Ancestry for a union of Benjamin Hobbs and an Elizabeth in Cannington and more widely to cover Somerset but could not find a definitive answer with three possible matches being returned. I will leave this mystery to one side for now.

As we know, Henry Turle married Jane Hobbs on 27 August 1844 and was living on The Crescent at the time of the 1861 and 1871 England Census' (see post). On the next update I will look into the Turle family beyond the 1871 England Census as part of my One Place Study of The Crescent, Taunton. In the meantime, I hope that you have enjoyed reading this blog much as I have enjoyed researching this family for my One Place Study. 

It would be wonderful to hear from you via the comments section on this blog or via my Facebook page. If you would like to see the tree that I have been building for my One Place Study for each individual house, it is on Ancestry under 1 The Crescent Taunton One Place Study. This study is also part of the Society of One Place Studies. 

[1] Ancestry.com 1841 England Census - The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1841 England Census; Class: HO107; Piece: 72; Book: 3; Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen; County: Somerset; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 7; Page: 7; Line: 6; GSU roll: 474611

[2] Ancestry.com. Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 ~ Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Reference Number: D\P\tau.m/2/1/5 page 84

[3] Ancestry.com. Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 ~ Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Reference Number: D\P\tau.m/2/1/7 page 56

[4] General Register Office (https://www.gro.gov.uk/) - Births GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in Taunton, Volume 10, Page 415

[5] FreeBMD (https://www.freebmd.org.uk/) - Marriages GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in Battle, Volume 7, Page 242

[6] Ancestry.com. Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914 ~ Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Reference Number: D\P\tau.m/2/1/18 page 275

[7] Ancestry.com. Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 ~ Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Reference Number: D\P\can/2/1/7 page 36

[8] Ancestry.com 1841 England Census - The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1841 England Census; Class: HO107; Piece: 935; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Cannington; County: Somerset; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 27; Page: 5; Line: 1; GSU roll: 474594

[9] Ancestry.com. Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 ~ Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Reference Number: D\P\can/2/1/7 page 15

[10] Ancestry.com. Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 ~ Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Reference Number: D\P\can/2/1/7 page 65

[11] Ancestry.com. Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 ~ Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Reference Number: D\P\can/2/1/7 page 65